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Overview
Computer Working Party (Dec 1962)
Computer Working Party (Jan 1963)
DSIR Working Party (May 1964)
Progress on the AWRE Atlas 2 (Oct 1964)
Progress on the NIRNS Atlas 1 (Oct 1964)
The future of computer animation (Aug 1971)
Daresbury visit (Feb 1974)
Proposed move of ACL from Chilton (Feb 1974)

Proposed move of ACL from Chilton, 28 January 1974

F R A Hopgood

14 February 1974

1. INTRODUCTION

It is quite clear from the paper to be put before Council at their next meeting that there is little likelihood of the current Atlas Computer Laboratory continuing to exist for more than a few years. The main reasons for this are:

  1. There is a need to re-group the current computing facilities so that a continual updating of three main computing centres will not continue indefinitely.
  2. The Council have decided that SRC must support a viable Northern Laboratory and that this will be situated at Daresbury.
  3. The major cutback of funds will be aimed at the Nuclear Physics community.

I think the staff of ACL will be living in cloud cuckoo-land if, with these constraints, they think there is still a chance of a separate ACL existing on the Chilton site. Due to the successful lobbying of the Nuclear Physics community, powerful computing facilities exist at both Daresbury and Rutherford while ACL has a system which can only rival them in flexibility.

One constraint, which the Council was reluctant to admit initially, is the need for an ACL function. University research workers recognise the merit of having large computer facilities where they can get guaranteed amounts of computing time which suits their needs. Also, there is a need for ancillary services to supplement the basic computing power. With the advent of communications networks and RJE stations, the user has the capability of accessing these resources in a manner far superior to the one available when ACL was first set up. The Regional Centres have not fulfilled this ACL function and it seems likely that SRC will need to support it for a considerable time in the future.

2. LONDON OFFICE PROPOSALS

The main parts of the proposal put forward by London Office are:

  1. Nuclear Physics work will be moved to the Rutherford Laboratory.
  2. The NSF and SRF research will be done at Daresbury.
  3. The ACL function will be supported by a new Laboratory on the Daresbury site let us call it NACL.

The first two parts of these proposals are quite sensible and are likely to have sufficient backing to be accepted. Moving all Nuclear Physics work to Rutherford, and constraining it to the Rutherford budget, should ensure that capital is available for other projects. This should release at least £2m a year. This, together with the closure of ACL at Chilton, should allow £3m or £4m to be available.

Assuming that we start with the ground rules put down in the Introduction, together with (1) and (2) above, the proposal (3) is a possibility. There will be a continuing need for computer resources on the Daresbury site. However, some spare computing power should be available for the ACL function. The 370/165 is a powerful machine which could be upgraded to a 370/168 at a cost of less than £lm.

There are, however, a number of major problems with this proposal which make it unworkable. Most of the staff at ACL are well aware of these and I will do no more than outline them here:

  1. For a considerable period, NACL and ACL will have to function together. The life of the 1906A is about 7 more years and it would be a waste of a valuable facility if it was closed down in 2 years' time.
  2. Until the Nuclear Physics community moves from Daresbury, usefulness of the 370/165 in the ACL function may be less than would be expected due to the high usage of the machine for control of on-line experiments.
  3. The ACL function includes provision of both ALGOL and ALGOL 68 compilers. Neither would be available at Daresbury.
  4. Control of 20% of the 360/195 from Daresbury is out of the question. It would be impossible to get a line faster than 9.6 Kbaud. This would be expensive and, possibly, inadequate for our needs. The support of users working on the 360/195 from Daresbury is quite difficult. Even with the small distance between ACL and Rutherford at the moment it is difficult. A large part of the time on the 360/195 would be used from remote stations and it would be far simpler for these to be controlled directly from the Rutherford Laboratory.
  5. It is impossible to pick up ACL and deposit it in Daresbury as NACL without any changes. The number of staff who would make the journey is going to be somewhere between 20 and 50. If the Council decision is a fluffy statement with little meat, it is likely that there will be no ACL to move. Everybody will have left well before the long walk. In any case, the current Daresbury staff and workload will have a significant effect on the form of NACL. The Council paper suggests that NACL will have a separate Director with a separate budget. It is doubtful if this structure can be a success on the Daresbury site. There may well be a need for a single site Director with Division Heads. As everybody knows, there will be insurmountable problems if either Daresbury supplies the Director of NACL, or if a DCSO level Director of NACL is appointed over the current staff there.
  6. The waste of Government money involved in throwing away the purpose-built ACL buildings is not inconsiderable.

3. A COUNTER-PROPOSAL

From the previous two sections it is evident that, if Council keeps within its own ground rules and constraints, there is little room for manoeuvre. Even so, a more logical solution can be found. I feel the proposal outlined in the paper has a number of conclusions which are not arrived at by logic - instead, they are motivated by fear of the Nuclear Physics community and the need to do the right thing by that good and faithful work-horse, ACL. In addition, it is evident that a number of purely computer problems have been overlooked. For example, the differences between the 360/195 at Rutherford and the 370/165 at Daresbury are nearly as great as those between the 360/195 and the 1906A. The cost and feasibility of running a substantial load on the 360/195 from Daresbury has not been examined.

Any proposal must satisfy the conditions that a national ACL facility is provided and that at least 20% of the 360/195 should be used for this purpose. With these constraints, the only solution possible is that, assuming ACL closes, the Rutherford must take over at least part of the ACL function. This seems to have been resisted in the paper for reasons which are not plain. In the case of the Nuclear Physics work, the paper specifically states that, although this work would normally be done at Rutherford, there may be occasions - perhaps due to geographical location - when Daresbury would be more appropriate. Similarly, for geographical and computing reasons, it is likely that Rutherford will always need to do some of the work associated with the ACL function. Once this has been accepted, the correct course to follow becomes quite obvious:

  1. SRC will have two major Laboratories - one in the South and one in the North.
  2. These Laboratories will be responsible, in general, for specific areas of research.
  3. Both Laboratories will need large computing facilities for the internal research programs. In addition, both will provide an ACL function to Universities and Government departments in the country.

Item (3) is presumably the most controversial. It does, however, make a great deal of sense. The current ACL users are predominantly in the South and this is partly due to geographical considerations. There is a need for users to visit the facility from time to time. Also, telephone charges are such that teletype links and, to a lesser extent RJE stations, should be as close as possible to the central facility.

If two ACL functions were set up, it would be sensible to have them complementary. The large Nuclear Physics load on the Rutherford machine probably means that the facility will be less flexible than the Daresbury one. It could be that one Laboratory should concentrate more on graphics than the other. Large data processing tasks should be concentrated, perhaps, on one facility. To some extent, this situation already exists on the Chilton site. Work is placed on the 1906A or 360/195 depending on its characteristics. Similarly, allocation of time by SRC committees, would take note of the form of the computing requirement, together with the load on the two Laboratories.

One major asset of this proposal is that the traumatic move of ACL to Daresbury over a short timescale would no longer be necessary. The second asset would be that a suitable use would be made of the ACL buildings.

4. A DETAILED PLAN

The major reason for delay in the Council plan is that the current 1906A facilities at ACL have to be run down and the build-up of Daresbury is dependent on this. This new proposal would allow a much quicker build-up of the Daresbury facility. The major actions would be the setting up of the two computer facilities at Rutherford and Daresbury. The current Divisions are probably inappropriate as both are too well connected with site automation and electronics respectively. It is possible that both the North and South facilities could be given separate Directors from the site Director. It is unlikely that this would work and I think it is more sensible to have the Computing Division as a strong Division in each Laboratory with responsibilities to the University community recognised. This may only need a Council decision indicating how much of the total computing resource is available for on-site work.

There seems no reason why this should not go ahead with the utmost speed. The important thing is that the Head of both Divisions be appointed and the basic structure organised. In the case of the Rutherford Division, this is likely to be formed mainly from the current C & A Division staff, but should also include ACL personnel. The Daresbury facility is likely to require more of the ACL staff as it is here that the major work will be required.

I would imagine that ACL staff would gradually move to one or other Laboratory as the build-up takes place. At some specific date, the remainder of the ACL facility at Chilton would be absorbed into the Rutherford Division. To make it quite obvious that this is not the absorbing of ACL by the Rutherford C & A Division, it would be sensible for the Headquarters of the new Division to be located in the ACL building. Any new Rutherford machine would, most likely, be placed in the old Atlas building. It would eventually be the Rutherford Laboratory's responsibility to provide a service on the 1906A until it was removed.

At Daresbury, there would be a need to get the ACL function off the ground. This would require considerable help from current ACL staff and a significant number of staff would move to Daresbury in the next 2 years. The aim here should be to build up the Northern Laboratory so that the computing facility was of the same calibre as that at the Southern site. Due to the quite long period before the Nuclear Physics work is absorbed at Rutherford, it is essential that money be spent building up the Daresbury facility. For example:

  1. A new large computer needs to be installed at Daresbury which is different in character from the Rutherford machine. The obvious contenders are a twin-processor P4 or a STAR-100. Presumably, in the current economic climate, the former is more likely. The order for this machine should be placed almost immediately. The main task, initially, for the staff of the new Northern ACL facility would be to install this machine. Staff would be drawn from Daresbury and ACL. The aim should be to phase out the 370/165 by 1980.
  2. Graphics, both interactive and output plotting, should be a speciality of only one of the two Laboratories. With the need to build up the Northern facility, this should be located at Daresbury. It would seem sensible that an FR-80 be installed there as soon as possible. The PDP15 would be moved to Daresbury at some future date.
  3. The interactive facility, together with support for AI, should be based at the Northern site.
  4. It is almost certain that some link between the two centres should be established. It would seem sensible that the current communications work should go ahead with the intention of front ending the two sites with 4080 computers. All workstations would be attached to the nearest site but would be able to access machines on both sites.

5. SUMMARY

I think the suggestions made above are more likely to be successful than the London Office proposal. However, in any decision, it must be made clear that the Daresbury site will receive a large increase in computer resources. It must be made clear that both North and South centres are primarily Council facilities, rather than Board facilities. This could perhaps be emphasised in the case of the Rutherford Laboratory by a change of name to Chilton Laboratory.

The proposals would be much more sensible as far as ACL is concerned. The expertise available in the Laboratory is more likely to remain under this proposal. Staff are likely to join both the North and South Laboratories and are likely to affect the character of these places. Consequently, the assets of ACL will not be squandered away.

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