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Minutes of the meeting held on 16/ 2/1962 at 11 Charles II St, London

1 Minutes of the Last Meeting

Dr Howlett, having formally resigned from the Committee, on his appointment as Head of the NIRNS Atlas Computer Laboratory, attended in the latter capacity.

The Committee approved the minutes of their meeting of 20 October 1961. Three points arising from the minutes were dealt with briefly:

2 Progress Report by Dr Howlett

2.1 Dr Howlett reported that the manufacture of the NIRNS Atlas had started in November 1961. The completion of the machine in the firm's works was scheduled for October 1963, after which working up to full reliability might take nine months, and installation at Harwell should begin in July 1964. the machine ought to be in full service by the Spring of 1965.

2.2 Dr Howlett said that the contract was not yet signed. Negotiations were at present concerned with guaranteed clauses. In reply to questions he confirmed that it would be a fixed price contract, and that a penalty clause for lateness was under discussion. the Committee firmly expressed their wish for a penalty clause, either in money or in the form of free computer time, and asked the Secretary to inform the Contracts Department.

2.3 Dr Kilburn said that some components of the Manchester Atlas were now being tested, and it was already clear that the speed of the arithmetical processor was equal to expectations.

3 Building Plans - 61/8

3.1 The Chairman said that Dr Vick had offered to look at the building plans, with the help of the AERE Building Committee. Dr Vick outlined certain suggestions which had resulted, in particular the re-siting of the power house by feeding from a new AERE sub-station, and making the office block shorter and wider. the changes, if all proved practicable, would result in a saving of about £10,000, in addition to a reduction of £22,000 in the Project Estimate, as compared with the previous Token Estimate of £310,000 (excluding furniture and fees).

The shorter, wider building would have more rooms shared by several people, and fewer single offices. There was a good deal of discussion on this point, and the Committee wished it to be recorded that they attached importance to providing a reasonable number of single rooms for undisturbed work but that the rest could be in rooms shared between several people, in order to reduce the cost. Glass partitions (double glazed for sound-proofing) and roof lighting were suggestions made for increasing the number of single rooms.

3.2 After discussion of the complement paper (Minute 4) the Committee endorsed the proposals for the office building, on the understanding that the alterations suggested by the AERE Building Committee should be worked out in detail and adopted where appropriate. They also endorsed the proposals for the computer block, noting that these had been very thoroughly reviewed and reduced as much as possible.

4 Staffing Proposals - 62/1

The Committee discussed the proposals made by Dr Howlett in Paper NI/ACC/62/1, and agreed that the numbers shown could be accepted for planning purposes. The following points were made in the discussion:

5 Finance - 61/7

The Chairman asked for critical comments on the need for the full 48K core store, since a reduction in this was the only practical way of saving a large sum of money. It was clear that the bigger the core store the bigger were the problems which could be solved efficiently. Sir Graham Sutton said that as far as could be seen the meteorological problems could be done with 32K store and 14 tape units. In general discussion it was pointed out that the Manchester Atlas would have a 16K core store and the London Atlas would have a 32K core store. Whilst these were adequate for many purposes a great variety of problems of different sizes could be expected and it was essential to have one Atlas in the country with a very large core store so that the largest problems could be solved with maximum efficiency. the NIRNS Atlas, with its 48K core store, would become the centre on which such large problems would be focussed; if its store was to be reduced its value for this purpose would be almost entirely lost.

The Committee agreed with these views and concluded that it is essential not to cut down the computer and that it is therefore necessary to seek the additional cost of the building, and any contingency on the plant, from the Treasury.

6 University Use of AEA Computers - 62/2

6.1 The Chairman said that an unexpected situation had developed in the scheme originally proposed by the Minister for Science's Office and referred to at the first meeting (Minute 1 (b)) and in Paper NI/ACC/62/2. The Minister's Office were now questioning the proposal that the time should be provided through NIRNS without charge to Universities, and suggesting that the Universities should get funds from the UGC or DSITR for the purpose. Mt Jolliffe said that DSIR could handle the provision of grants, referring any large applications to their Research Grants Committee for consideration along with other claims. He had already discussed procedure with Dr Howlett. However, DSIR had suggested that it might be simpler for NIRNS to deal with the matter, since it was so similar to the case of work on the NIRNS Atlas, later on. The Committee agreed with this latter view.

6.2 In a general discussion, the Committee took up again the question of charges for University use of the NIRNS Atlas (which had been briefly discussed at the first meeting on 7 July 1961) and of AEA computers, and it was agreed that no charge should be made to Universities. Points made in the discussion were:

  1. Universities, in charging each other for computer time, normally make a nominal charge corresponding to out-of-pocket expenses on tape, etc. from the point of view of balancing demands on the NIRNS service and on University computers, there would be an advantage in NIRNS making a similar charge. It would also be some help in ensuring that the work was worth the computer time, but would not in itself fully ensure this.
  2. It was not thought, however, that serious harm would be done to University computer organisations if NIRNS did not charge. The Committee would be in a position to watch this point carefully.
  3. University computer groups are in a position to waive their nominal charges in certain cases where the user could not pay them. In a directly Government-financed body like the NIRNS, if a charge were established, it would be very difficult to waive it at discretion.
  4. Because of their principles and established method of operation, it would be very difficult for NIRNS to charge universities, especially in the case of nuclear research.

6.3 Turning to the detailed arrangements proposed in Paper NI/ACC/62/2 (subject, of course, to the agreement of the Minister for Science and the Treasury that the NIRNS may finance this scheme) the Committee agreed on the following points:

  1. The requirement that the user should consult the Head of his own University computer organisation before approaching NIRNS will need strong emphasis if it is to be carried out. the Committee generally agreed that this should be done.
  2. The group proposed at the top of the second page of the Paper, to help Dr Howlett to resolve questions of priority, should be informal, not an executive committee, and ought to include two university people rather than one. responsibility for priority would lie with Dr Howlett, reporting to the Atlas Computer Committee.
  3. The draft notice to Universities should make it clear that the scheme was not limited to nuclear science, and should also state clearly what the financial arrangements were.

6.4 The Committee agreed that Dr Pickavance should try to settle the matter on agreed lines with the Office of the Minister for Science. in case of difficulty arising, he should consult the Chairman of the Atlas Computer Committee.

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