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Minutes of the meeting held on 31/ 3/1971 at State House, London

1 Minutes of the Last Meeting

The Minutes of the Meeting held on 11 November 1970 were approved.

2 Matters Arising

  1. New camera for the SD 4020: The Chairman had visited the Laboratory in early December to discuss this with those members of the staff actually concerned with the work of film production. He had written a note summarising these discussions and recommending purchase of the proposed new camera. This had been sent to Members as ACC 70/13 with a request for comments. No Member had opposed the proposal and the camera had been ordered.
  2. New office building: Dr Howlett said that he wished to leave this until the next meeting.
  3. Extra magnetic tape decks for the 1906A: The Committee had approved the proposal but had asked Dr Howlett to look into the possibility of using another make, such as Memorex, instead of ICL. Dr Howlett said that he had done so and had found that Memorex and similar companies all oriented their products towards IBM computers, because these formed so great a part of the market, and did not produce a straight equivalent to ICL. He had therefore proceeded with the request for ICL decks. The Science Board and the Council - both of whom had to be consulted because the cost was over £50,000 - had approved and the decks had been ordered. They would be delivered with the main system at the end of June.
  4. Closing-down of Atlas: There was a passing reference to this in Mr Miller's paper, ACC 71/6. Dr Howlett said that it was necessary to make plans for this and that the Laboratory was beginning to think of the summer of 1972 - when the machine would have been run for eight years - as a suitable date. He would make a proposal at the next meeting for the Committee.
  5. ASCOP: The position was unclear and most unsatisfactory. The National Computer Centre had asked the Computer Board to finance the installation of the system in university computer centres, at a total cost of £40,750, but the Board had declined. The NCC were finding, apparently, that there was very little commercial market for ASCOP and were considering closing down the project. They had proposed calling a meeting of interested parties in mid-March but this had not taken place and their intentions were not known. Dr Howlett said he would like to go into the matter with Finance Branch to see if NCC could be paid by SRC for work which they had done on the system and the agreement cancelled. The Laboratory could then give the system to any university which wanted it. The Committee agreed to this, commenting on the bad effect which this transaction had had on the image of ASCOP - in strong contrast to the BIOMED system which was made freely available all over the world - and urging Dr Howlett not to give up the battle.

3 Magnetic Tape Storage Unit - ACC/71/2

The Committee authorised Dr Howlett to commission the design study at a cost of £3,500, and to report on its outcome. They asked that if as a result a request was made to install such a storage unit, a comparison of this with other methods of storage and retrieval - for example, simple racking and manual labour - should be presented.

4 Enhancements to the PDP15/30 - ACC/71/3

Dr Howlett said that the Laboratory had intentionally started with a minimal system and was now clear as to the additions needed. It was in fact possible to extend the system much further than was being requested, The Committee noted the reasons for which the disc and extra core store were requested and approved the proposals.

5 Use of the RHEL 360/195 - ACC/71/4

The Committee discussed at some length the need for an input/output station in the Atlas Laboratory as distinct from carrying work to and from the RHEL machine room. The DTI assessor felt that the terminal was not justified, and that it was to be expected that, with so powerful a machine, the Rutherford Laboratory would do work for other users as well as the Atlas Laboratory. Dr Dunworth also was unconvinced of the need and questioned also the real need for providing increased computing power, observing that Parkinson's Law always applied where computing was concerned; he felt that in any event the proposed cost was high, and that it was not obvious that the Rutherford Laboratory could not undertake the work, given the £26,000 a year which the terminal would cost. No other members of the Committee supported these views. Professor Page and Dr Pickavance stressed the need to keep the Atlas Laboratory load separate from the nuclear work of the Rutherford Laboratory and Mr Jolliffe noted that it had been a Council decision to allocate about 20/% of the machine time to the Atlas Laboratory, based on views on the need for large-scale computation in university research work which had been accepted at previous meetings of the Atlas Committee.

The Committee queried the adequacy of the printing capacity provided, which seemed to be about half what was installed for Atlas, but Dr Howlett said that this was deliberate because the Laboratory was intending to use the 360/195 for a different kind of work-load in which long-running jobs would predominate. They wished to be assured that time on this machine would be made available over a long enough period - more than two years - for the service to be of real value to research workers with long-term projects. Dr Howlett said that whilst he could not commit the RHEL he had no fears on this score; Dr Pickavance pointed out that the use of the machine by the Atlas Laboratory was a matter for Council decision, and that in reaching any decision the Council would take into account any representation from the Atlas Committee.

With the reservations from Dr Dunworth and Mr Oakley noted above, the Committee approved the proposal but recommended that the 1130 system should be bought rather than hired on the grounds that firstly it was virtually certain that it would be used by the Atlas Laboratory for long enough for this to be the sounder economic proposition; and secondly that the system was so versatile and generally useful that there would certainly be other worthwhile uses for it within SRC after the proposed method of use was ended. The Committee therefore recommended an expenditure of up to £80,000.

Note: The proposed use of the 360/195 was mentioned in Ace 70/5 (18 May 1970) and 70/6 (17 August 1970).

6 Use of the UNIVAC 1108 Computer at the National Engineering Laboratory, East Kilbride - ACC/71/5

The Committee noted this paper. No action was requested. Mr Jolliffe said that the need had arisen because the Computer Board had not been able to put its plans for re-equipping the Scottish universities into operation as quickly as it had originally intended. Mr Smith said that the Chairman of SRC had asked for this service to continue and that they would see if the money could be found from SRC funds.

7 Laboratory Charging Policy - ACC/71/6

Mr Miller said that the Laboratory - like any other body financed from public funds - was required by the Treasury to devise a costing scheme which would enable it to charge other Government bodies the true cost of any work done for them. It was not a commercial operation, in which charges would be decided by market considerations. There was no unique process for computing the cost of a piece of work and any method had to rest on some assumptions or conventions; those involved in this case were noted in the paper. The Committee questioned some of these, such as the ten-year life assumed for the 1906A and the 40-year life for buildings, and the practice (standard in Government accounting) of writing-off capital at a constant rate when it would seem more realistic to use a high rate initially and reduce this over the life of the equipment. They noted that these were essentially internal matters for SRC and accepted Mr Miller's paper.

8 Future Development of the Atlas Computer Laboratory - ACC/71/7

The Committee noted the paper. Dr Howlett undertook to circulate comments on his Future Policy paper (ACC 70/8) made by the various Boards and Committees of the SRC. The somewhat self-contradictory situation in Engineering was commented on, with a large amount (about 25%) of Atlas time being used in this field whilst the Engineering Board felt that there was only limited scope for the use of the Laboratory's services in their grants. Dr Dunworth said that the Board's view was coloured by the fact that in an industrial environment one could not afford the cost of large amounts of computing. Dr Howlett reported that the general study of SRC's own computational needs, under Dr Francis, had just started.

9 Any Other Business

Dr Howlett asked the Committee if they would welcome a proposal to have an official opening of the new computer building, with the newly-installed 1906A, in about October. The Committee approved and Dr Howlett undertook to put a detailed proposal to the next meeting.

10 Date of Next Meeting

It was agreed to hold this in late July or August.

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